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with a black islamist flag. according to the a.p., both are triggered by a movie produced in the united states that protesters say is anti-muslim. the a.p. reports it was made by an anti-muslim extremist. we are tracking the breaking news and will bring you developments throughout the hour. also, you are looking live at ground zero, september 11, the day none of us will forget. we will remember that day with you. and why won't president obama meet with netanyahu? but first, an urgent warning. it is about our nation's debt. as if the threat of going over the fiscal cliff isn't bad enough, it now gets worse. if congress doesn't reach a budget deal, moody's will cut its triple-a realitying by one notch, so can congress strike a deal? and avoid this downgrade? senator john thune is on the budget finance committee. nice to see you. >> nice to see you, greta. >> greta: so. moody's says they doll this. >> this is the latest warning we have gotten. obviously, this is not the first time that we have been warned. this is the most predictable crisis we have ever had. we know exactly how serious the situa
with an incumbent president of the united states. host: from the associated press this morning -- back to the phones and our discussion regarding early voting beginning in about 36 states. missouri is when we get our next phone call, and that is dan on the line for republicans. caller: good morning. i was going to say right off the bat, everybody in the united states should go see the movie "obama 2016." a gentleman said this movie up who went to college with obama. it goes through his life, his family, and his agenda for america. host: now you have plug the movie. tell us if you are in favor of early voting. caller: absolutely. the elderly have a problem, but also the working people. they have to go really early or really late. sometimes they do not get to vote. it is important to have early voting. i know of the debates are nice to watch. most of us already know who we are going to vote for. i know our country is sinking fast. if we do not get something done about the national debt, the port and the rich and everybody is down the tube. host:we haev a tweet from max that says -- is that where a lot
are not going to t along with anyone, so why try to pacify them? england, the united states, get out of the united nations. i'm tired of hearing hate speeches from people from other countries condemning us. this is a united nations of hate. host: if you go to the united nations web site, it says -- what you think? caller: i think at the time it was probably a good thing, but i don't think they counted on the rise of communism from china and russia and on the muslims and i think the muslims are a big problem with the united nations right now and we should stop trying to pacify them. we have a wenow who seems to sit there and watched-- we have a president now who seems to sit there and watch it. all he has been doing is apologizing. they killed two of our soldiers in afghanistan and the apologized to them. when the embassy was attacked, it was the man who had the movie's iffault. these people hate us. host: here is this on twitter -- here's the washington post front page -- many remember last year when the palestinian leader's request for membership was denied, not something supported
and on the united states supreme court. [applause] we have come so far carried we have come so far. why are we having to fight in 2012 against politicians who want to end access to birth control? it is likely woke up on a bad "mad men." "bad me [laughter] when mitt romney turns the clock back on process, the progress, it has real consequences. women like libby bruce, who you just heard from gary or women like a 27 year-old woman whose stage to press cancer was caught at a health center and thanked god she is now cancer free. [applause] or, the woman who went on facebook after paul ryan voted to defund planned parenthood and posted, i guess they do not understand us military wives go to planned parenthood when a doctor on base cannot see us. mr. romney and mr. ryan are campaigning for women's vote tby saying women need their help. this is coming from two men who would turn women's health-care decision over to our bosses and who will not even stand up for equal pay for women. my grandmother back in texas would have said, any more help from mitt romney, [unintelligible] here is the good news. we
right now after the killing of the united states ambassador in libya. so how dangerous is it now for americans abroad? also, as the u.s. moves to hunt down the killers, libyan authorities make at least one arrest. but was it a mob attack or something much more ominous? >>> and mitt romney's taking heat even from some republicans for his harsh criticism of president obama's foreign policy. is he ready to dial back or double down again? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> u.s. warships are moving toward libya today as president obama vows that no act of terror will go unpunished. his words. but in the grim aftermath of the u.s. consulate attack in libya which left the u.s. ambassador and three other americans dead, there are still serious questions as to which group was responsible. meantime, violent protests sparked by an anti-islamic film spreading across the muslim world today. in cairo, crowds have again gathered outside the u.s. embassy right now. they've been throwing rocks and fire bombs as police answer with tear gas. in yemen, police open fire to disperse
the mourners as the bodies of the u.s. ambassador and others killed in libya return to the united states. and mitt romney ramps up his criticism of the president again as the latest polls show him falling behind in several crucial states. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> but we begin with these live pictures. look at this. this is tahrir square in cairo. these are live pictures coming in not far from the united states embassy. once again, the protests escalating even as we speak. earlier in the day it had been relatively -- keyword, relatively, quiet. now seems to be escalating for some reason. our own ben wedeman is on the ground for us. we're going to be going to him shortly. at the same time as these scenes are unfolding, there also have been frightening scenes of violence and hatred directed at the united states and others around the region. it's spreading. and u.s. officials are very worried. sources tell me they're especially concerned about today's penetration of the united states embassy in tunisia and the reports that the american school was actually burned.
. >> i believe mitt romney wants to be president of all of the united states. this week we learned mitt romney wants to be president of half of the united states. if mitt romney were president, he weent waste time worrying about the 47% of americans who he believes are victims, who romney believes are unwilling to take personal responsibility and those are his words, madam president, not mine. he'll only worry about how the other half lives, i guess. that's what mitt romney told a group of wealthy donor at a closed door fundraiser in florida a month or so ago. but it turns out it wasn't closed. someone videotaped every word he said to his wealthy donors. but this is among other things what he said and this is a quote. "there are 47% who are dependent upon government, who believe that they're victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they're entitled to health care, to food, to housing, you name it." mitt romney said his job as president would not be to, "worry about those people." but half of americans are those people. he went on to sa
ambassador is killed in a brutal senseless murder? well you attack the president of the united states and accuse him of siding with the terrorists. sarah palin no. mitt romney. how low can you go? man, that's going to dominate our talk this morning. first, let's take a little time out to get the latest, today's current news update from lisa ferguson joining us from los angeles. hi lisa. early good morning to you. >> hey bill, good morning everyone. we are seeing more political fallout this morning after statements from mitt romney took aim at president obama during the attacks in libya and cairo. tuesday night romney blamed president obama for sympathizing with the attackers and then he double downed on those claims again wednesday morning. take a look. >> the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in egypt instead of condemning their actions. >> romney is basing that off of a statement from the u.s. embassy in cairo saying it does not support the crit
is unthinkable. and devastating. and when i become president of the united states, we will stop it. i will not cut our commitment to our military. >> the president once again blasted romney's hidden camera comments on the 47% of americans he dubbed victims of government dependence. >> i don't think we can get very far with leaders who writeoff half the nation as a bunch of victims who never take responsibility for their own lives. >> 47% of the people vote for the president no matter what. who -- >> the obama campaign turned romney's secretly recorded remarks into a devastating new ad claiming the gop nominee's words under the families and veterans. >> so my job is not to worry about -- they should take personal responsibility. >> romney two days in a row out to link national security to the nati sluggh recovery. he's seizing on new economic data revising down the 2nd quarter gdp. >> this is not just one quarter. this has been going on now for years. china's growing much faster than we. russia's growing faster than we. our economy needs to be reinvigorated. >> but not all the numbers
that he would like to see brazil, china, india and russia gang up on the united states. he says it's a bad idea for america to be number one, he calls that america and germany, he wants to end it, he wants two, three, four, and five to come together and pull america down. >> lou: and why is such a man tolerated? what is the point? what does he bring to the students of harvard university? what kind of madness, like the fools who thought that the euro would replace the dollar and wonderfully sophisticated trans atlantic geniuses thought the dollar's days are done. haven't we had enough of that nonsense. >> this guy is not only tolerated, but separated and of course, obama took his courses and retained a close relationship and when the 2008 election, he skipped town, i'm a leftist and revolutionary, if anybody connects me with obama, it's going to hurt obama. he's a cocoon that protect the sillness and represent some insight into the future, and-- you're right the problem is when it's taken by a guy in the oval office to endorse pablam, and encores in the united states. >> and tell when what
the swiss embassy in tehran, shouting death to the united states. the swiss embassy handles u.s. interests in iran, and is being heavily guarded right now by police. >> as for the president, president obama vowing all necessary steps. security being beefed up to protect u.s. citizens all around the world. >> and, and a major development in libya. the first arrests in connection with the attack that killed two well-respected american diplomats and two former navy s.e.a.l.s. >> want to begin our worldwide coverage this morning out of cairo with ian lee. ian talk to me a little bit about this world via twitter from the muslim brotherhood that they are announcing the protests will only be held in tahrir square. why is that? >> well, brook, what the muslim brotherhood is saying, is that by canceling the protests around egypt, they hope to curb any violence that happens from those protests. but they said they're holding a symbolic protest in tahrir square. they also added that because it's symbolic, means there's not going to be a lot of people, a low turnout. you know, they can't have one prote
the united states, in fact, for something like this. i think thers going to be a lot of, you know, the u.s. is really going to hunker down and think about how they want to proceed now. not just in libya but in the whole region. >> elise, this is brooke. let me just, as john points out, you know, diplomats really are certainly mourning this morning and we're covering the ory, really there's no way any other network can. if we can just back up and if you can help us fill in the blanks as far as what exactly happened. here we are day two now of protests. we've been covering the protests in cairo and in benghazi. we remember covering the revolution, it was really the rebel stronghold last year. explain what exactly happened as far as this ambassador is concerned and the three other workers who were apparently with him in his car? >> details are very sketchy right now. what we understand is we knew yesterday, towards the end of the day, that as we were watching those pictures at the embassy in cairo, there were gunmen that had approached the u.s. consulate in benghazi, and breached the walls
country. your choice. >>> we would like to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world to this, the democratic national convention, as charlotte, north carolina. i'm on the convention floor, i'm wolf blitzer. the first lady of the united states, michelle obama, has tonight's most critical job, reminding voters why they liked her husband enough to put him in the white house, and to make the case for giving him another four years. ining us now inrco all of thiweek,nderson cooper, high above the floor. >> our w sws whyhat case is more urgent than ever for the democrat. nesn mitt romney's convention bous. what are the numbers? their convtion tonight, ts let'slook at that very question. we know governor romney got a one-point bounce out of his convention, not so great, about half what the president got four years ago. not a big bounce. where does that leave us? the democrats' opening night two months from a critical election day. doesn't get any closer than that. 48-48. >> the convention will pay tribute to a champion of health care reform, the late senator edward kennedy,
] >> that was an incredible glimpse into who we all want to help elect to be the next president of the united states. he loves his family. he is committed to his family. he is frugal. he is hands-on. he is a problem solver. he does not wait for someone else to solve the problem, but jumps in. isn't that who we need in the white house, ladies? [applause] i am very excited to introduce our next speaker. liz cheney has been a woman who has been a role model for me. she is an incredibly accomplished woman in foreign relations. she is someone who has known and worked with mitt romney. i want to tell you a little bit about her. she was an attorney and specialist in u.s.-middle east policies. she is a founder and chairman of keep america safe, a non- profit organization dedicated to education and advocacy about american national security policy. as a fox news contributor, she provided analysis on on u.s. national security policy in the 2012 election. she was the second ranking state department official responsible for u.s. policy in the middle east. prior to that, she served as deputy assistant secretary of state fr
the ascension into the world trade association. she said the united states must normalize trade relations so american business can reap -- speakingrussia's in the new york times, this piece in the weekly review pointing out the democratic party realized one kind of history and it would like to realize another with hillary. it is time for a woman. both conventions there were ghosts of politics past, present, and teacher. next is he larry. caller: i have been watching this for -- ever since it started here. i have been paying close attention throughout my life. my parents were democrats. i have seen them, and i have seen -- i became an independent. i voted for the ban that would best do the job. well, in the last four years i have seen republicans cost the united states a downgrade adventure it's true -- in its credit rating. i have seen them block every opportunity to come to a budget conclusion. i have seen paul ryan and make statements that he knows are false. all through the whole scenario of the last four years. you would know he is lying about fax. as far as mitt romney goes, you're sorr
the president strongly defend one of the united states' deadliest and most effective weapons against would-be terrorists. and in a cnn exclusive, the brother of al qaeda's top leader now says there is a way to reconciliation and peace. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room"." >>> all that coming up. we begin with a very public and new escalation of some tension between president obama and prime minister benjamin netanyahu. israeli sources tell me the white house at least for now has rejected prime minister netanyahu's request to meet with him later this month to discuss iran's nuclear program. the israelis were told a meeting isn't possible because of the president's schedule, schedule won't permit it even when they offer to have the prime minister come to washington from new york where he'll be addressing the united nations. the white house is pushing back saying the president and prime minister simply won't be in new york at the same time this month to address the u.n. but this is just the tip of the icebe iceberg. in a much bigger disagreement right now over iran's suspected q
] in the united states senate. still fighting for those who count on him to be their voice. using his intellect and his he will consequence he has fought to improve our health care choices and to protect our environment. and he called attention to the threat of terrorism before september 11. [applause] you know, i married the smartest, toughest, sweetest man i know. and in two days we will celebrate 27 years of marriage. [cheers and applause] the way we always do. we'll do it the way we always do, at wendy's. [laughter] whether it's wendy's or washington, i found that it's true. it's not where you go, it's who you go with. [cheers and applause] but none of the things i've mentioned are the reasons i married john edwards. i married him because he was the single most optimistic person that i have ever known. he knew there was a brighter day ahead even as he swept the floors in the cotton mill as a high school student. he knew if he worked hard enough, he could be the first in his family to go to college. he knew that he could outwork and outtough any battalion of lawyers to find justice. and he c
across the muslim world and delivering a stern warning to iran saying the united states will do what it must do to prevent tehran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. we're going to have reaction to the president's u.n. address coming up in just a moment. first though, brand new stories and breaking news. >> the deadly west nile virus outbreak across our country is now getting worse. with one state hit very hard, the new efforts to stop the virus right in its tracks. >>> wild weather killer floods and mudslides are forcing more than a million folks out of their homes. we're live with that story. >>> plus a new first for the mars rover as its robotic arm reaches out to touch a huge rock on the planet. now the rover on the move again. where it is headed next and why the trip is making history. it is all "happening now.". jamie: first back to our top story, violence in the middle east is centering in the gathering of the united nations general assembly. i'm jamie colby in for jenna lee. jon: the president warning iran that the u.s. will quote, do what we must to prevent the rogue nation fro
, wherever they are in the world, are protected by the full force of the united states government. i would like to see our nation grow strong again. you don't ever touch one of our citizens wherever we are in the world. if you do, the wrath of the united states government will come down on you. host: among the two major candidates, who do you believe best exemplifies that or do you trust most with foreign policy? caller: mitt romney. his statement may be a week or so ago when he said we need to be so strong that no one would dare touch us -- it seems we are in a position now that we are left at all over the world. nobody is afraid to take on the united states government and more and that is really said. host: let's move on to jean in north bend, washington, our line for independents. ♪ caller: thanks for taking my call. i trust president obama. i pretty much agree with the gentle man but called before the republican lady. i think there are too many loose cannons in the world already. we don't need mitt romney who is really a loose cannon out there to represent us. i think we have gained
states citizens should not be denied by the united states. the issue are they putting roadblocks to get more voter suppression to, to make the process more difficult? if there was supposed to be a period of public comment, why didn't the secretary of state do that? >> heather: is that the issue to have the right to vote? >> here the voter suppression that i'm concerned with. i'm concerned about the suppression of my vote and your vote, of every single voted that is legitimate vote is being tampered down by illegal votes. there are thousands being cast all the the time and it doesn't take that many illegal votes to sway an election. >> i love you dearly but the fact there are thousands and thousands of illegal votes is absolutely non-proven. >> heather: that is not. have you not seen our series right here on fox done by our own eric shawn weekly talking about the issue. >> i don't mean to intererupted but in michigan there is a study that has proven there was 1400 dead people that voted and hundred illegal felons that voted in the last few elections in michigan alone. voters in florida t
dangerous country in the world. and the number one threat to the united states is iran acquiring a nuclear weapon. the suggestion by prime minister netanyahu that the united states should set a red line and say in advance that we would use force if iran achieved a certain level of progress in its nuclear effort doesn't make a lot of sense to me. this is a question of war and peace. and both president obama and president bush have tried to say we need to negotiate with iran and have the ability to sanction it and use force if necessary, but you don't want to put yourself into a corner and use force based on actio and a predetermined level as what the iranians do. so i think president obama is right here to resist that. and israel should know that the united states has its back as the president has said and the united states will do what it must do to stop iran. but let the united states make that decision, not some preimposed red line. i think that makes sense for america. >> president obama on " 6/0 minutes" on sunday said this. let's play a clip. >> and it comes to our national security d
for this is the books are conceived as a history of the united states sort of as told through biographies and i was looking for a woman subject for one of these and in fact i found one but my publisher wouldn't let me do it. can you guess what woman i was looking for and found? eleanor roosevelt. i mean, just the fact that it's a very short list of women who played a large role in american public life on whom i can hang a tale of four or five decades of american history. women have had of course their roles in private life but it is in the nature of private life it usually doesn't survive in the historical record. why did people start saving the letters of eleanor roosevelt? because she was important. do your correspondence save your letters that you write to them and then do they deposit them in the local historical society? well, maybe, and if they do you will become, can i use my words adviseably, here, you will become literally immortal. you will become immortal in letters because future historians will find those letters. they will say ah, that is what life was like at the beginning of the
's a crude film. they know it has nothing to do with the united states government. it is an excuse. one intelligence person told me, if you scratch the surface, and if you gave every street vendor from street vendor to prime minister in that region a chance to throw a rock at the u.s. embassy, they would. so this is their excuse. >> look at what's happening in afghanistan 11 years later. >> and look what's happening in afghanistan. and is it just me? willie, is it just me, or is it -- we have the grave concern about the tragedy that happened to the ambassador and our people that have served so proudly for, you know, for the state department who were killed. and yet this weekend, more u.s. troops in afghanistan gunned down by our supposed allies. this happens every day. this happens every day. and yes, our u.s. ambassador being killed is just absolutely horrific. but every single day, young american men and women are gunned down in afghanistan. >> 51 of them this year on insider attacks. 51 nato troops including many americans this year. >> nobody's talking about it. >> to your point exa
. there's no way you can shut down outrageous speech in the country of the united states, it's going to happen, but if the responsibility of responsible officials in egypt and other countries throughout the world to take actions to protect embassies and they are the ones who are responsible, and the extremists sure -- stirring up the crowds are responsible. talking about the video really is to distract from the real problem. gerri: you have a lot of experience in these proceedings as deputy secretary of defense under george w. bush. people staid it's bush's fault the arab world is in unrest today. do you agree? how do you respond? >> i don't at all. look, these extremists were breeding in the arab world for years under horrible dictators. 9/11 happened with basically before george w. bush even appeared, and i believe in fact that the dictatorships of the arab world gave credit the to the extremists who attacks the governments for denying freedom to their people. sooner or later, those governments collapse both because of age and also, frankly, because ashes want freedom as well, and
at what was going on in the united states. and you can even see this in henry kissinger's memoirs and on historical record and an archives in our archives over here how the negotiator for the north vietnamese would bring this up to kissinger. he would bring up what was going on in congress, was going on in the streets to try to rattle kissinger who would always answer this is beneath me, i'm not going to talk about what's going on in the united states. at any end i i believe that north vietnamese leaders never really relied on negotiations to win the war. they knew that they had to win on their own and it had to be militarily on the ground. thank you. >> several years ago i had the opportunity to travel around the it now for six weeks, about half the time in the north, which is to be the north, about half the time in the south. and in talking with people, my impression was people in the north, very proud of having defeated the united states, the great power. people in the south, very sad that the united states hadn't in some way managed to stay, to keep with economists. is that co
in the united states, but done in france which is a modern labor market where i think there are some lessons. the code-talkers actually convinced the french government to do something i hope we can convince our -- co-authors actually convince the french government to do something i hope we can convince our government to do, which is to experiment with widespread unemployment services programs and look at what the effects on the labor market are not just by randomizing an individual having access to the program, but breaking france up into different geographic areas of labor markets and providing 100% of the people access in some areas, in some areas , in some areas 55%, some areas 25%. if you do that randomly, on average, if you're in an area where a lot of other people use this program, does that have a negative effect on you? what they found is in tight labor markets, basically the programs really helped people get into jobs more quickly. when the labor market is weak, is largely a game of musical chairs. one person getting a job makes another person have a more difficult time. thinking ab
the president of the united states call on people to pray for those lost, he calls on people to observe a moment of silence and then go out and do community service. he calls it patriot day and go and form commupt service. >> gretchen: he does say on the end of it. he signs it in the year of our lord 2012 . god is mentioned there and not in his message to the american people. >> brian: i think it is important and interesting that no politicians are going to see . i heard them say that is not good. it is good to cope politics out of this in the election year. i think that is the mayor's intention . >> steve: i think. just hear from family and friends. and that will start about 8:48 and you will see it live right here on folks news channel. >> gretchen: nightmare for extreme make over. a victim of a car jack his one year old son in the car. >> brian: thousands of terrorist being be set free. should we give our keys to the afghan government and should they be letting them go. that's next. ♪ come ♪ come on up for a ride. ♪ come on up. ♪ begin. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than tha
to be the standard security in high risk consuls and embassies that the united states has around the world and that includes no low refile armored vehicles, the vehicles that have the tires that will continue to operate even if they're shot out. and other security measures were not there on the ground. general jack keane commented on the security that was missing here on fox. >> there's been a pattern of attacks all through the summer. so we have a pat he tern of specific aggressive attacks and finally, our consulate is attacked. now, that's a movement that's doing that and that is coordinated. i don't think any film, even 9/11 maybe the day they chose to do it because of its significance, but that's certainly people who are out of power, there are moderates in power in libya, they want it undermine that government and foreign powers assisting that government are the target. common sense will tell you that our security for that ambassador and that consulate was totally inadequate. and after we do that assessment and we're putting the proper security in place, rest assured whatever it looks
reported the 67th meeting of the united nations general assembly involves 120 heads of state. >> as the 2012 united nations general assembly gets underway. iranian president is already making news by scolding the u.n. security council. >> the security council has failed to establish justice and ensure sustainable peace and security in the world. >> iran is facing international scrutiny and u.n. sanctions for its nuclear program, with israel calling for action. alaskait may arise tomorrow. the president is also likely to mention the unrest in the muslim world. this morning, secretary of state, hillary clinton, talked about the assassination of the u.s. ambassador in libya and said the world will not tolerate mob violence. >> the people sent this message loudly and clearly on friday. when they forcefully rejected the extremist in their mist and reclaimed the honor and dignity of a courageous city. >> president obama is fielding criticism for skipping bilateral meetings with world leaders, but making time for an appearance on a daytime talk show. >> they have telephones in
by an arlington, va., next. caller: thank you. ron paul needs to abolish the federal reserve or the united states treasury will take over printing money. then the investments would be safe. thank you. host: jeff, republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. as an individual, i have tried to save, realizing that social security was at risk and so forth. i have spoken to people in houston from argentina. frequently. my boss is from argentina. i have to say that if you are unaware of the debt of economic collapse, you really need to find someone who has experienced it. if our credit rating does collapse and we have to pay realistic interest rates, we could not even make the interest on the debt with our taxes, currently. host: jeff, thank you for the call. with the overall debt now in excess of $16 trillion, "the new york times" phrase -- framed it in terms of saving enough. david on the twitter page has this point -- host: shock is on the phone from hawaii, up early on this sunday morning. caller: yes, they have not saved enough. my social security is very minimal. i have been working for m
in washington. consulates around the united states. we make sure they are adequately protected. particularly, when you get a rocket attack like that, it is an act of war and all to be treated as an act of war. i don't have the details yet. if we had an embassy personnel murdered, that is a sad situation. you have to express regret for the families that are involved. but the most important thing is we have to show the world that we are a nation that lives by international law. we expect other countries to live by international law. this is a violation of international law. your doctor take appropriate action. host: hear the statement from secretary clinton on the death of the personnel, ambassador christopher stevens and three others. the statement goes on from there. secretary clinton says all the americans we lost in yesterday's attacks made the ultimate sacrifice. we condemn this vicious and violent attack which took their lives, which they had committed to helping the libyan people reach for a better future." guest: of all your years ago the president made a gracious effort going around t
of the united states that still views the united states as a problem, you know, 300-plus million people that view america and the west as an enemy. and so this is the ideology that we continue to combat, and i think that there has been a reticence in recent years to even call it that, to include the word islam when talking about this ideology, but i think it's incredibly important, and not because islam is the problem but modern islam is the solution. when you take a look online and take a look at the messaging out there you see a good deal of intolerance. a lot of the messages has been dialed back. they are not overtly calling for violence as they did pre 9/11. you are still seeing a hatred and utter distain for western values that come through there and i think that continues to power this ideology, and perhaps, again, not driving us to violence, but certainly seeing, you know, probably stopping just short of that, and so the question that i have is, at what point do they just turn that up just a little bit and the violence could begin again? jenna: a lot of work to be done. thank you
or iran or turkey invoking the greatness of their own power and impact and the united states tends to be more future oriented but in this particular case you found that the trauma of the hostage crisis and in the iranian revolution is still very formative and the - of americans who are responsible for the iran policy. >> guest: it is. ambassador ryan crocker told me one time in an interview that they are the most historical were the least historical society. and in this case i think there's still certainly every time they have a negotiation including the most recent one in moscow during the whole litany of grievances, so it is always on their mind. whether the u.s. policy makers realize it or not, the are too. the first years after the revolution clearly the hostage issue was for most american policy makers mind. if the iran contra happens that causes the relationship with the next prior risk and we saw it happen to ronald reagan and over a series of instances where they have spurred u.s. efforts to the rapprochement. there's a great example like to give just on this idea of the mo
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